From: Raigaa | Posted: 11/7/2002 6:27:21 PM | Message Detail

Kitsune: [qcb+Throw], because of the damage, and because she flashes her panties. ^_^ It doesn't matter how hardcore you are. Eventually this game will start effecting you. hahahahahaha. Hey... just because I'm into the fighting engine part of the game, doesn't mean that I cease to become male, and appreciate a little fan service. Hey Raigaa, it sounds like DOA Code Cronus with all the stuff from previous games is DOA4. Time for Raigaa Tomonobu Junior. =P The hell are you talking about? [innocent look] I have NO idea what you're getting at [crosses fingers behind back] drzero: Fine, just tell me what is Advance Hold means then. That might answer my question. (Basically, what's the difference.) "advanced holds" use the old "arcade style" inputs of DOA2. They are the [f,u/b+Free], [fb+Free], [bf+Free], [f, d/b+Free] holds that only Bayman and Lei Fang have. Because of the extra input, they require a little more forethought (no matter what, you can react quicker with a normal hold). And notice that there are 4 hold "levels" instead of 3 - mid hits are separated into punches and kicks. The benefit, however is 60 base damage. THat's MUCH more damaging than a regular hold, which is on average 45. Damage rating comparison, "loose/counter/hi-counter": advanced hold: 60/75/90 average hold:. 45/56/67 ...basically, an adv counter hold + coconut takes away 1/3 life. 3 hi-counter-holds means you're dead. --- (Aeon) "The last thing i'll say on the subject is that you cannot block during a freestep backward" Current Team: Anyone but Ryu.

From: virtuaPAI | Posted: 11/8/2002 2:02:26 AM | Message Detail

Im here kitsune, you dont need to worry about poor bayman anylonger ^_^ I also voted for lei fang by the way... the character I choose is Gen Fu. HI = high counter C = counter L = loose counter L C HI high punch hold: 45,56,67 mid punch hold: 45,56,67 (environmental damage) low punch hold: 45,56,67 (cliff damage) jmp punch hold: 45,56,67 high kick hold: 45,56,67 (cliff damage) mid kick hold: 45,56,67 (environmental damage) low kick hold: 45,56,67 (cliff damage) jmp kick hold: back turned advantage parries mid & low give frame advantage(amount???) **extra damage** walls=10 dng zns =14 multi & cliffs= 40 --- controlling the dirt is nothing, to one who commands wind and rain"-storm-

From: Raigaa | Posted: 11/8/2002 11:56:38 AM | Message Detail

drzero: High Counter Regular Counter Loose (Weak) Counter. "Hi-counter hold" is when you catch the blow with EXACT timing (or near exact... I'm guessing 2 frames) "Counter hold" is with "regular" timing IMO. Not too early, not too late. "Loose hold" (no message, no bonus) is if you BARELY caught the strike, because you're hold attempt was a bit "early" --- (Aeon) "The last thing i'll say on the subject is that you cannot block during a freestep backward" Current Team: Anyone but Ryu.